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IR Lasers: Handguard Flex and Holding Zero

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Lol I forgot to change my angry placeholder title before I scheduled this video
Comment from : @Hoplopfheil

This video is not just about lasers but also back up iron sights I recently dropped one of my rifles and when I did a red dot co-witness check with the back up sights they weren't lined up anymore The Midwest Industries handguard had shifted on the barrel nut because I had ran out of the sleeve locking compound that it came with The sleeve locking compound that you can get from the auto parts store will glue the handguard to the barrel nut Rock Solid
Comment from : @dinoscungilli6390

This is Why I dont like the clamp on design, like midwest,BCM, CMT, Geissele etc I prefer the bolt designs thats used with the NSR for example Superslim and light rail, but still very stiff and bomb proof simple design
Comment from : @perlenbacher6788

Hey, Would a drop in aluminum quad rail handguard you know with just four screws be able to sufficiently hold it's zero?
Comment from : @israelbrill252

Lwrc rail for the win Will never rotate 😁
Comment from : @nasty98772

I've actually grouped better with flip up magpul pro irons on my 16in AERO M4E1 enhanced 15in rail than I have with a standard fixed A2 20in rifle Aero rails really are underrated Only other I'd choose is a DD RIS II if aero made one similar I'd be first in line to run it
Comment from : @philliphill3787

Me with the Daniel Defense RIS II quad rail "what is shift and flex?!? Must be something for the poor peasants"
Comment from : @fujimi715

The only true way to get away from handguards shifting is to just not use them A system like the LMT MRP voids this whole conversation
Comment from : @ikeman1973

Zev technology created a wedge lock handguard and it has a pin that connects to the upper receiver to prevent flex and unzeroing, you can even take it off and put it back and it'll hold
Comment from : @GaudyBurrito

Love your channel! I didn’t realize how much knowledge you were dropping on us until I really started shooting Not just 2 gun or range stuff - but really shooting Love it and thank you!!
Comment from : @maverick00084

I’m a huge fan of the Aero Enhanced system Heavy, limits your rail choices, but it does definite feel bombproof
Comment from : @philrab

Would you say that the hodge defense rail DD RIS 3 and guisley Mk rails are also Superior?
Comment from : @DevonReclaimed

Recently tried the Aero Enhanced upper and it's indeed pretty nifty Yeah a bit THICC but I'm used to that ;)
Comment from : @chassoto

I don't think I've heard the words "barrel nut" said so many times in six minutes
Comment from : @thomas-son9281

If you don't mind a tall cheek weld the POF systems are good
Comment from : @welderdude1

V7 and Noveske make barrel nut handguard systems like the ALG I run an older Daniel Defense FSP 95 on an 115 So far that has been the best system I have used to mitigate creeping of the handguard
Comment from : @welderdude1

Honestly the shitty PEQ-15 mounting system flexes way more than a rail would
Comment from : @sgtn00dle

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Comment from : @loganeley2342

Just buy danial defense brThey cost more for a reason
Comment from : @thefrogking481

Well spoken conclusion
Comment from : @Christosan88

GOT DAT FLEXbrGOT DAT FLEXbrGOT DAT FLEXbrHOP LASER! 😆🤣
Comment from : @muffemod

i suppose its easy to get into the weeds with zero but its like you said before your not gonna will any bullseye comps with a lam anyways
Comment from : @codyjean6213

I've always sneered at and been confused why the clamp on/Friction fit rails became industry standard All my ARs are either timed quadrail deals, monolithic uppers or have some variation of the Aero Enhanced Rail design
Comment from : @RommelTesla

couldn’t a solution to this be to have a piece that can bridge the upper receiver and handguard together?
Comment from : @ross43ri

Isnt 80lbs the low end for ar15 barrel nuts?
Comment from : @HanzHermannHoppe

Noveske NSR… 🤷‍♂️
Comment from : @tnycrmb

Ris 2 is king
Comment from : @radiatingfuture1007

Leverage or something perfect explanation 😂 👍
Comment from : @sogerc1

How about the new M89 handguard by SOLGW? Has the angled slots to help the suck the handguard into the receiver the more you torque the bolts
Comment from : @albertptran

This helped me
Comment from : @abge3960

Can you see you Sight if running Eotech exp2 and Holosun Le 117 g I’m asking with Holosun installed can you see Eotech over it ? Thank you !!!
Comment from : @4coopdawg

👍👍👍👍👍👍
Comment from : @dilorenzopiero5162

Laughs in LWRC DI
Comment from : @556bc

Agreed, rip alg
Comment from : @fullm3taljacket

Goonin Gear had a post on IG showing the difference between mlok and quad rails I forget the range but the difference was noticable
Comment from : @MrLevicrz

Thanks for this video, I'd heard people mention it, but just seemed odd since no one really worries about irons shifting on a FF rail
Comment from : @td8867

I was about ready to recommend the Aero Precision enhanced upper and rails when I seen you talked about it I think theyre the best most bomb proof system on the market as far as rail attachment methods go Theyre pretty nice
Comment from : @bdjp2011

Hop, let us know if you ever want to try out an MRP system We pride ourselves on having one of the best NV ready rifles
Comment from : @lmtdefense3927

Laughs in LMT MRP
Comment from : @Smok-_-em

Quad rail gang validated again
Comment from : @rodiculous9464

👍👍
Comment from : @Allan_aka_RocKITEman

Monolithic quadrail gang on top
Comment from : @josephvalinski849

Is the rifle with the bipod 16"?
Comment from : @justinparker7902

Railed gas block is probably your best bet for a mounting solution that will never move over time or with load It'll get hot though
Comment from : @Followme556

4:31 brWoaaaah woaaah woaaah son don’t flag me
Comment from : @lgbtqisahategroup9781

Hey Hop id like to run a ir device on my ak with an SLR rail, my options are going mlok to pic to device or mounting to a pic rail gas tube Do i deal with the mlok shifting or run risk of cooking the device in the gas tube Or am i just retarded for trying to run a device like that on my AK thanks
Comment from : @pureawosme

Spikes bar 2 is good
Comment from : @BigG1017

I generally wonder how durable skinny ass mlok handguards are like the bcm mcmr etc
Comment from : @joelerk6298

LWRC uppers have a rail interface similar to the ALG rail
Comment from : @cooperwillie9293

Hop is one straight shooter
Comment from : @GoonBae

Youtube unsubed me
Comment from : @ooster0000

Opinion on the Romeo7?
Comment from : @t10god

Only kinda related comment, Hop how do you deal with shitty milspec triggers? I have an ALG ACT in my hd carbine and it sucks eggs compared to my CMC combat and SSA But it's the only trigger I'd trust if I had to take this riffle inna woods What gives?
Comment from : @Redsparrow12

Maybe I’m just been living under a rock, but I swear this is the first time I’ve ever heard someone even mention handguard flex or talk about it Big ups Hop dawg
Comment from : @bFast_da_Reload

"Mitigate a problem that's not really a problem in the first place" love your videos
Comment from : @levishelley8018

Light weight rails due have its downside such as durability and rail flex especially when loaded The ALG rails biggest downside is the way they clocked their M Lok sections IMHO they should have went with the standard 12/3/6/9 configuration
Comment from : @munnyshot8301

i do wanna say i bought a midwest industries charger chassis and it is quality i like it on all aspects
Comment from : @dudebroski9460

Go quad railnd never look back
Comment from : @RealDogeOperator

I wana be like hop when I grow up and I'm older than him
Comment from : @torsteinrocks

The geissele mk16 rail has screws at the bottom that you tighten against the receiver If you locktight them in theres 0 way that shit will rotate/ shift
Comment from : @Nick-hm9rh

Aero uses a direct bolt system on their fat rails The quantum and what ever their original rail was Timing the nut was required They’re huge and heavy nuts but solid AF
Comment from : @adamdyment9732

Review some chinesium full power lasers please
Comment from : @TheMonkeytrumpetz

Q U A D R A I L G A N G
Comment from : @borkborkfoxxo279

Good advice and no whining? What have you done with the real Hop?
Comment from : @jhalscott

Yeah, its a nothing burger How many people have IR lasers? 12? I've never seen one in hundreds of range trips in over a dozen places in my state, never Not even one It's a niche of a small group of a few handful of people
Comment from : @almostontimehero5415

As always great video!!
Comment from : @akjohnmahaney

Daniel Defense Ris II enters the chat, gang gang!
Comment from : @akjohnmahaney

Kac URx 4 doesn’t rotate bc it is the barrel but
Comment from : @georgebigr

Bummer about ALG rails, I really like the look and wish i grabbed one!
Comment from : @Irishspartan1337

Daniel Defense handguards look sturdy too
Comment from : @billstevens5277

I use my ACR Love the monolithic upper
Comment from : @seanlowry7848

Aero Precision not PSA has a similar system that has screws that thread into the barrel nut Lol my previous post was incorrect I put one on a PSA LR308 upper
Comment from : @zacharycastor7967

The way the BCM hand guards clamp is different from the traditional At least that's what they claim Spreads the tension and stuff
Comment from : @graniteisgneiss

I wonder how the piggy back mount rails like the ARMS #50 SIR or the Vltor CASV would do on zero shift
Comment from : @Bruski_Two_Zero

The vseven rails are just like the old ALG's They're fantastic! They have several to choose from in different materials and lengths I chose the enlightened one with titanium barrel nut You don't need shims, but you need a torque wrench and adjust it between 25 and 75 ft/lbs until the screws line up
Comment from : @ragedashboard6374

You don't know about the chunky Arms Inc OG handguards, huh?
Comment from : @ChrisVellrath

Outstanding review Right to the point and you always hit the bits that any practical user needs to know- a sign of someone who knows what mattes and what doesn't because they're experienced in that field
Comment from : @aries144

Good video and just in time for WW3
Comment from : @beardly0121

I wonder why barrel mounted rails do not enjoy at least some popularity when it comes to aiming devices like lasers I guess space concerns are an issue and it not really being a big deal if your laser isn't totally spot on also matters
Comment from : @oddspaghetti4287

Hop as always I love the video even if I'll never get into IR/NV but as a nerd I'd love foe you to come back to The Examined Life (of gaming) as well broski
Comment from : @MiseryDuke69

Overblown but good info!brbrHow about some different B-roll for future vids?
Comment from : @toddinfl

Daniel M4 style rails, while friction fit, are pretty damn robust They directly clamp to the nuts axially instead of relying on circumferential friction with a few screw pushing at the top or bottom The MFR rails use 4 grade 10 bolts and the MK18 and M4 rails use 6 Aero and Larues ARE bombproof, albeit a bit yesteryear and chunky
Comment from : @pnuemagger

Thoughts on Larue uppers? They've got a proprietary handguard and upper which bolt together Not sure if this would be considered monolithic but if not they definitely come close
Comment from : @Swanhub