Title | : | The Chomsky Skinner Debate: How Do Humans Acquire Language? |
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The First spoken Language begin in the Animal-Kingdom,bralmost all of the First words is Warning-soundsbrCampell-monkeysbrIt is the same monkey-logic in use of the so called modern brhumans, but even much more Illiteracy and Superstition,brDead mantras and lingual rubbish Comment from : @holgerjrgensen2166 |
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Chomsky's perspective, like a significant portion of hypotheses churned out by some cognitive psychologists, assumes that all children -- once accounting for genetic endowment -- have identical prenatal chemical environments, postnatal chemical environments, classical conditioning histories, operant conditioning histories, and traumatic histories It assumes that all children are born with identical brains that are capable of acquiring language due to some "innate" ability, which Chomsky has, many times, claimed is guided by some sort of "spirit" or force in the brain that is "in" the brain but not "of" the brain Skinner did not respond to his argument because doing so would reinforce his response Put in another way, I don't think that anyone is denying that there is a genetic component to behavior (Watson may have strayed away from that argument, but Skinner definitely never did) In 1959, when "Verbal Behavior" was originally published, it was IMPOSSIBLE to be able to observe what was going on in the brain because we did not have the technology to be able to do so Skinner's perspective was clearly a product of its time Comment from : @Kerrymoynihanintellectual |
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If you read both verbal behavior and Chomskys review, it’s clear that Chomsky either misunderstood skinners stance or misrepresented it in his review Approaching the phenomenon of language and cognition from differing scientific worldviews Skinner was a pragmatist, Chomsky outlines one possible narrative about how language acquisition might work Posits some, IMO unnecessary, hypotheticals along the way If you’re interested in hearing another perspective without having to read through the tome that VB is, I’ve included some citations below brbrMacCorquodale, K (1970) On Chomsky's review of Skinner's Verbal behavior Journal of the experimental analysis of behavior, 13(1), 83brbrPalmer, D C (2006) On Chomsky’s appraisal of Skinner’s Verbal Behavior: A half century of misunderstanding The Behavior Analyst, 29, 253-267brbrPeace and love Comment from : @theman3483 |
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Chomsky is cheeks Comment from : @EricDenette-uj5hx |
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High quality summary of the debate Thanks for creating this well informed and entertaining video! Comment from : @psicologiajoseh |
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🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:brbr00:00 b🧠 Behaviorist BF Skinner's work focused on conditioning animal and human behavior through rewards, influencing psychology and education/bbr01:14 b📚 Noam Chomsky's critique of Skinner's book "Verbal Behavior" highlighted fundamental flaws in Skinner's theory, particularly its application to human language acquisition/bbr02:30 b🧒🏽 Chomsky argued against Skinner's stimulus-response model, pointing out the complexity of human language and the inadequacy of conditioning theory in explaining it/bbr04:21 b🤔 Chomsky's "Plato's Problem" posits a gap between a child's limited linguistic experience and their vast linguistic knowledge, suggesting an innate, biological basis for language acquisition/bbr05:05 b🔤 Chomsky proposed the concept of universal grammar, suggesting that all humans are biologically equipped with an innate understanding of linguistic principles, which underlie the diversity of languages spoken/bbrbrMade with HARPA AI Comment from : @sebsirop4289 |
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Yeah Chomsky's critique was poopy brbrLike, really badbrbrHe goes off on rants about stimulus-response psychology but doesn't seem to understand that Skinner & VB are not related to S-R psychologybrbrbrIt's pretty ridiculous at timesbrbrNot that he doesn't raise any interesting point It's just that most of them were addressed in the years that followed Comment from : @Niall001 |
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Chomsky s giving people to much credit It may be his wishful thinking Comment from : @Hotscrotum69 |
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Additionally, behavior learned in a trained context emerging in untrained contexts (generalization) or a novel behavior emerging that contains components or sequences of other behaviors/behavior chains (contingency adduction) has been shown empirically to be a common phenomena across many different speciessee Pryor et al (1969) doi 101901/jeab196912-653 and see Neuringer (2004) doi 101037/0003-066X599891 Comment from : @chochoproductions5720 |
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Chomsky's critique made it obvious he never read Skinner's Verbal Behavior Comment from : @chochoproductions5720 |
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the question is do you need reward to grow a pair of legs Comment from : @fokusdeutsch3672 |
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Julien Combray would know that everything between the first reinforced speech sounds to all kinds of behavior being reinforced in all kinds of settings in all kinds of different ways is acounted for, he just has not read Skinner Like Chomsky Skinner does not have to read Chomsky because Chomsky has said nothing relevant to the issues at hand Comment from : @joachimmikalsen1676 |
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what a surprise to see Watson's little Albert there!😂 Comment from : @CPPCUK |
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These are just observations, not an attack If you're going to learn a foreign language, you're going to use Skinner's approach, not Chomsky's If Chomsky had been able to provide more detail about the specific brain structures involved I suspect Skinner might have incorporated it (I believe he posited the existence of a language centre in the brain that would perform functions like those assumed to be provided by universal grammar) And yes, Skinner's conception was inadequate, but research along the lines he took has continued and more sophisticated approaches have developed Chomsky would be better off collaborating with behaviourists, as would behaviourists be if Chomsky were willing to collaborate Comment from : @johnfitzgerald7618 |
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