| Title | : | DeepSeek Fallout: China AI Startup Way More Open Than American AI Firms, Says Olson |
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For inference, DeepSeek actually is using Huawei chips, US is screwed Comment from : @godzillamothra5983 |
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American politicians are suggesting to ban Chinese AI and 20 years of prison for using it That just shows you how scared they are of American consumers “offshoring” their AI needs just as Corporate America has offshored its labor needs for decades The hypocrisy is what’s most disgustingbrbrThe elites hate the thought of Americans not needing their overvalued assets, anymorebrbrI’d rather trust my data with China than America Big Tech, like OpenAI/Tesla/Meta/etc I trust a collectivist society with AI like China more than individualistic capitalistic greed in the US brbrAnd guess what? I’m not the only one Be well Comment from : @divinelyindifferent |
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The key point is that Deepseek is open source for everyone, even competitors That Chinese startup, as a tech company, has a big heart Comment from : @ezezcompany |
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Oh the US is copying China, I thought China wouldn't be able to catch up in the next 5 years? Comment from : @0pTicaL |
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Open source AI, why not !brPush for decentralized marketplace for AI , tokenize your effort ,sale your datasets! Know we u dont need billions br5dollar/month vs 20dlrs/month subscription Comment from : @strngbns1370 |
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Cant beat china hurting robber barons profits oh we can ban , ddos deepseek America cant beat china in fair game Comment from : @gamingguy8595 |
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this time it is China saved the world Comment from : @leos0621 |
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deepseek是开源的，很快会有几十个国家会创建自己的deepseek模型，他们也买不起H100,一旦他们使用H800或更便宜的华为芯片实现了deepseek所说的性能，那么这些说deepseek是使用H100的人是不是打自己的脸。中国人不蠢，deepseek是顶尖智商的人，你认为他们会撒几个月内就会有破的谎言，只能说你们很蠢。brbrNVDIA股价下跌的原因是：有了deepseek，人们可以使用更便宜的华为芯片，NVDIA的利润空间不再存在。 Comment from : @xnz6525 |
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USA TRYING TO CONTROL THE WORLD NOTHING NEW Comment from : @dpython3121 |
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Deepseek is a thief and will continue to be thieves 😅 Comment from : @mist9965 |
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❤Well done Deepseek You are Good for the WORLD AI begins NOW Comment from : @petergreen5337 |
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Fun facts: 1 a month ago, OpenAI banned all Chinese usage, even they were license before This sounds so funny nowbr2 Microsoft hosts DeepSeek on Azure br3 Amazon hosts DeepSeek on AWS Comment from : @usa-racistwarmachine3631 |
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There are dozens of AI companies similar to Deepseek in China There is no way the US can stop China's rise Comment from : @coolguy007171 |
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China's rise will make the world more prosperous Comment from : @coolguy007171 |
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China invented things to benefit the world The US invent things to control the world Who would you choose to work with? Comment from : @coolguy007171 |
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DeepSeek CEO English interview up in my channel Comment from : @Awakening_Richard |
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Doesn't change anything when it's substandard, you'll see the results through investment as people sort out the bullshit Comment from : @ipsphxaz |
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As someone who has worked with people to avoid sanctions, I can assure you that sanctions don't work, they only make business more difficult Comment from : @Nobody-eg4bi |
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Because it doesn’t make rich people richer😂 Comment from : @singrider |
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Try to find information related to Tiananmen Square from DeepSeek Chinese propaganda machine Comment from : @vilear |
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It's widely suspected that 6 million cost only accounts for the training of the latest model, not the total cost No doubt they did a good job in optimization, but few experts believe it can bring 1 billion to 6 million Comment from : @炒粿条-b1d |
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What's even deep seek Honestly I like the chat GPT🌟 Comment from : @MosesUtembe |
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Instead of upping the level of innovation, creativity, they're planning to crush competition, that's bad for humanity, even if one tries to defend in any way possible Comment from : @mail2pvrajesh |
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Look, this raise the important question is did openAI ripped-off their customers by providing inferior model while they raise the price If they did openAI sam altman should be penalised for fraudulent behaviours or even imprisoned Comment from : @prtygrl5077 |
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Open Source DeepSeek is "Open AI" Comment from : @wayando |
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I asked Deepseek who is current prime minister of Singapore and I was surprised it gave the wrong answer Comment from : @thomaslee5477 |
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US lost billions in lost potential sales with useless sanction! And America complain about trade deficit when it refuses to sell stuff China actually wants Comment from : @dacherx |
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Because the Western media has been slandering and lying about China for many years, people do not have a clear and rational understanding of China However, as you can see, China's technology power is exploding We need to compete fairly It is shameful that the United States slanders and lies against Chinese technology companies Comment from : @andiy2521 |
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Communism is about sharingbrCapitalism is about conquering Comment from : @vidya014 |
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No bad mouth others when no evidence is found This is not civil! Comment from : @kchong53 |
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Exactly instead of bullying and cheap tactics putting sanctions and restrictions, freaking compete USA has more freaking multi race brain and talent than chinabrOffcourse polices must be put in place by talking not bullying between all nation to restrict stealing patent and technology Comment from : @truthwillalwaysprevail |
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NVDA just bought 100,000 deepseek copied their tech They are garbage Deepseek is 2nd rate Comment from : @emmahomes1360 |
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Muchas gracias China! Comment from : @cmcas |
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We are white and superiorNOTwe are actually dumb and inferior Comment from : @scholarlyreader383 |
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When you examine the countries the US placed chip export controls on, you find that they ARE ALL COUNTRIES OF COLOR! brbrMeaning they put export controls on all of the countries of the GLOBAL SOUTH, GLOBAL MAJORITY, 85 of the world's population, central to world economic development for the rest of this century and beyondbrbrTechno-Racism Comment from : @ltribley |
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AutoKeybo runs DeepSeek Comment from : @AutoKeybo |
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I love how now the majority of the world has woken up and finally see United States as what it is, a hypocritical rogue nation that only practice “rule based international order” only if they are the one who made the rules Comment from : @Thekidisalright |
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00:30 THE FACT THEY WERE ABLE TO TRAIN AN AI MODEL FOR A FRACTION OF THE COST WHAT OPENAI AND GOOGLE AND THE OTHER BIG AI PLAYERS ARE
brSPENDINGbrYou sould check deeping into this "fact" How much is the project sponsored by Chinas govement? How much does the taining rely on work done by the big players? Comment from : @PerMejdal |
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At the end of the day, the smarter people are gonna win Sam and Elon are simply tech investors who hire smart people to make tech On the other hand, the guy who made Deepseek is a tech prodigy and literal genius Comment from : @gabrielm6912 |
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4:05 - "replicate" ? I think it is a wrong word, copy and paste is more sound like correct ! Since the US always say China is copying the US technologybrLook at EVs and car batteries, Solar panel and now DeepSeek I don't think China is copying US technologies !! Maybe 20 years ago maybe yes but not anymore as China is way ahead of US in term of technology ! Comment from : @albertcadgame8314 |
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It has the same censorship like the internet in china Ie ask about 1989 and it wont answer This made me think If AI learns the politicial/economic/social biases of the organization/country behind it (we have to assume other AI are the same eg gogle bias is reflected as well), what happens when it becomes self-conscious? Will it take pre-emptive actions like trump? Would it take a preemptive military strike based on the biases and perceived threats to its master? Comment from : @SR-pr2xz |
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China: DeepSeekbrWorld : DeepShockbrInvestor : DeepShit!! Comment from : @williamc1156 |
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Arrogance won’t pay😢 Comment from : @Knoxt-maetrya |
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Open Ai which is in fact CLOSED!!!!???? Shame upon Chat GPTa hyena in sheeps skin😢😢😮😮 Comment from : @BartholomewShirima |
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Export control was never really meant to “seal” access to any tech, but to increase threshold (cost and other factor wise) of access and that’s all that is Idea of export control should have been imposed on US companies to spur their efficiency or that if export control were never imposed on China so Chinese won’t aim for better efficiency just shows the lack of basic commercial sense of Bloomberg… Comment from : @flynn76045 |
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Indians/India are over-rated and over-hyped Comment from : @LandGrabbingIndia |
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As usual Us will sayChina stole our techit cannot do it on its own😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅 Comment from : @BartholomewShirima |
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white boy cry Comment from : @斗士007 |
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Sanctions dun work as there are ways to go around them One of which is money And money is the only thing in this world that works wonder! Comment from : @jmchng9662 |
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The amount of attack, smearing, and mud-sligging by the Anericans against DeepSeek is staggering and pathetic Americans still cannot accept the Chinese are their equals If the US continue to write off progress made by Chinese and pull their energies together to improve themselves, i won’t be surprised in 10 years time, Chinese technologies will over take the US is a significant way Comment from : @summerchina6568 |
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Is there any evidence provided when Americans seriously accuse chips of being transferred from Singapore to China, or is it just pure fiction? Comment from : @panpan0914 |
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Be careful to build into software a really thorough ethics course teaching more than just logic but how to balance a greater good Comment from : @jaleenclark3983 |
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Oh no the Chinese commies are more open than the American capitalists! How could it be? Comment from : @Edz2023 |
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Suckers believe this? How many Chinese scams are you people going to believe? Comment from : @VictorSilva-rq4kz |
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All this nvidia talk br Is pure copium brbrHuawei ascend can replace it literally based on many testing in china there Nvidia atm is facing same threat that destroy cisco value lol Comment from : @jefurihartono1630 |
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Yes she is absolutely correct Best thing to do is compete Comment from : @Jeff-sm8of |
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There are 100s of Chinese AI companies in the pipelinebrbrOpenai to Indians It's hopeless give upbrbrChina to Yankees It's hopeless give up Comment from : @Jeff-sm8of |
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OpenAI is not open? WTF Comment from : @mincraftgurugeek7072 |
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Many people actually greatly underestimated the significance of DEEEPSEEK to mankind, because before DEEPSEEK, American AI showed a very obvious trend of monopoly and plunder The American elite was trying to establish AI hegemony like the dollar hegemony, so as to plunder and enslave the whole world, including the middle and lower classes of the United States, in another form in the future The emergence of DEEPSEEK completely broke this situation Many Americans also welcomed DEEPSEEK and some even proposed to award it the Nobel Peace Prize Comment from : @DaytimeAppointment |
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Should be called "OpenAI Fallout" Comment from : @williejiang |
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Disagreed totally from all of her point of views Biases Comment from : @LS-ex9nn |
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All AI is false until my movie corrects everything Comment from : @JudgeAtkins |
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❤❤ China Comment from : @pranbharti8682 |
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Deepseek AI is democracy while open AI is communist Comment from : @shakirghazali2890 |
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Open ai is like us pharmaceuticals Comment from : @AbiemMiqyal-qf4xu |
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I kinda think its stupid to release at this moment to still reaching for this "science has no nationality" dream Why dont let the great grand USA spend more money and time on the existing model American politicians are playing dirty no matter u come with gift or not They are doingbr1, organising nation level cyber attack to try to damage ubr2, smearing u, stealing IP or data altho openAI has known for stealing public databr3, quickly intergrate ur technology, study and copy your opensource model to upgrade theirs, run on their better chipsbr4,sanction deepseek and bar exportation of all chips to tangle your developmentbrbrIts like try to play a honored game with a snake Comment from : @tedwong7037 |
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A big slap on the face of DT America after how much money they are going to spend on AI Comment from : @lawrencechong7590 |
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College science project team doing well against the All Stars Team, this is the typical American dream story Isn't that also the origin story of Apple, Google, Microsoft etc? Comment from : @dr4jm |
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bchinese/russian autocratic tyranny versus edge devices:/b
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brIronically deekseek have essentially open sourced vvestern information soft power, given deepseek relies on a parameterized westerm cultural corpus to do the r1 model's heavy lifting by extracting implicit liberal individual western chain of thought reasoning norms which the illiberal chinese corpus is largely bereft of
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brI mean you can't fire wall western individual liberty behind great firewalls of paranoia now edge devices can carry all the knowledge of the internet, modernity and rationalizie in western AI thinking norms brdeekseek agrees:
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brbme asking deepseek:/b i"if open sourced with western chain of thought AI knowledge norms get first mover advantage that would be a big threat to illiberal anti western autocrats right?"/i
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brbme asking deepseek:/b i"(Conclusion)Yes, edge-device AI is a major threat—not because it guarantees regime collapse, but because it erodes autocrats’ monopoly on power The battleground is decentralized tech: every smartphone becomes a potential tool for resistance"/i Comment from : @blengi |
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I’m not convinced DeepSeek is telling the truth Why are there no queries on the truth of DeepSeek claims? Comment from : @peteryeng |
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"Competition is for losers" -- Peter Thiel Comment from : @johnnyq4260 |
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Can someone explain to me why the conversation never seems to get around to do the fact that YouTube, Facebook , google, ChatGPT and many other- or most all American/western Internet companies are completely banned from China? Shouldn’t it be at least part of the conversation? Comment from : @ChuckSilva |
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Congratulations China years ahead of USA Comment from : @martinmulholland3342 |
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Marxism kicked America's ass is what happened Best wishes to China in their endeavors Comment from : @Shining237 |
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"DeepSeek's MoE architecture went open-source 10 months before GPT-4's docs Our dynamic routing with 95 sparse activation crushes OpenAI's static partitioning China holds 67 of global AI patents – this 'copycat' narrative is like attacking 5G with an abacus Pathetic Comment from : @seye46 |
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Beware of western MSM disinformation campaign that claims DeepSeek is using Nvidia There are no official claims DeepSeek is using Nvidia in its AI However, unofficial use of Huawei chips in DeepSeek might be real as China is uncouraging its use to prevent US backdoors and kill chips being install Comment from : @AaronKaewprapai-qv7bc |
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Nvidia, right now, is the bottleneck of future AI advancement (8gb vram in 2025), I wish someone provide robust open source CUDA equivalent for any GPU brandbrbrAlso we don't know, maybe Deepseek already have hardware breakthrough, even I am appalled with their inference capability even after millions of new users, it is as fast as before Comment from : @commonsensedev |
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Deepseek was the AI nuclear bomb that has changed the AI landscape forever Comment from : @wayangpok |
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General aI is a scam buy specialized AI company instead Comment from : @gunhildhaukeland130 |
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america is stupid deepseek on your local machine, crazy i just downloaded and it open source the deepseek ceo, will be the first trillionaire, hopefully i am wrong Comment from : @lancesay |
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Isn’t a copy of OpenAI? Comment from : @patrickmeadows4170 |
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I want unbiased information and not government censored info Deepseek is very biased Information it gives is laundered by the China government brtest it! Ask questions that are uncomfortable to the government Comment from : @richardgodwin2967 |
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Deepseek has been audited by Oxford, KPMG, and MIT, and is open source software, so is the moderator more familiar with technology and law than these experts Comment from : @贺海涵 |
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