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Moneyball was a myth that made a great movie Not mentioning Tejada(MVP), Chavez, Dye and Zito(Cy Young), Mulder and Hudson at all and act like Hatteburg, Bradford and Justice were the reasons you won the division that year is ridiculous Comment from : @henrywallacesghost5883

Music is too loud in contrast to the narration Comment from : @tomaszdkaminski4808

Yeah, the Red Sox won the World Series in 04 and used some of the analyticsbrBut look at the players they bought: Pedro, Shilling, Manny, Foulke, Damon, brKind of significant Comment from : @porcupinecraig

Zito, Mulder, Hudson brbrMVP that year Miguel Tejeda Comment from : @AdrianRodriguez-di9mu

What the F is that music dude Comment from : @Fixen-y1l

The movie was Great ! Comment from : @paulbashaw7096

The aggregate Giambi creation from OBP between the 3 players was a flaw by using the simple average dialogue vs WEIGHTED avg Comment from : @jeffwilliams6234

What makes the game great is baseball is really predicated on pitching A good pitcher can change “game metrics” by being unpredictable As hard as man tries to control the world around him, there is another man controlling his own destiny Comment from : @shane6284

It did work they stayed in budget and kept fans in the seats Comment from : @joeschraubecornfield5945

Interesting video, although it misses the point of Beane's approach He was forced to do it differently because he had a limited budget from the owner “The reality is, the entire Moneyball system that Billy Beane devised was based on the fact that we had limited resources,” A's President, Dave Kaval Even the movie made this clear Comment from : @MatthewScott-x9v

too much background music Comment from : @avoidscavenger7825

Good movie and Thanks for analysis "Though may not be complete Factual, but though provoking" Watching movie for nth Time Comment from : @curtisdavis8594

Your choice of music is horrible Comment from : @erdinca2448

You miss a LOT of points in your analysis I think you’re dead wrong and miss so many subtleties Comment from : @silvermineband2719

if that horrible a's owner would have got just 1-2 good bats they win the WS Comment from : @jaredrubin7843

I'll take stats like hr, bat avg, so, bb, era, over moneyball Comment from : @commiehunter733

Moneyball is not a new system, scouts for 100 years identified players over other players because they can get on base The difference is using mathematical formulas to identify those players Numbers don’t lie, however, if read wrong or paid too much attention to some numbers vs others can mislead Comment from : @davyhamadani2806

They keep underrated and undervalued players in the minors or on the bench now brbrBeane did change baseballbrbrHe just tried to change it to quickly and used the wrong statistics to buy players He bought runs He should have bought balance Comment from : @Science-bi8dp

Mt Carmel! C/O 2000!!! Comment from : @neilkonitshek2906

Your criticism of them not winning in the playoffs because they didn't have players capable of playing "small ball" at first glance seems like a reasonable conclusion; UNTIL, you go back to page one and realize, apparently to your surprise, that with their limited small market budget they simply can't afford the kinds of star players who can make that kind of contribution come playoff time The miracle in Oakland was that they year in and year out could run with the big dogs for a lot less payroll AND they turned a profit each and every year, something very few other teams can claim Comment from : @viking956

It seems for a poor team, money all is their best option Comment from : @richardrickbarrow

If you're going to have a crap microphone, don't blast the music so loud that I can barely understand you Hopefully in the last two years you've fixed this issue I'm sure other watched it just fine, but it's difficult for me Comment from : @mad_cat

I enjoyed this video but what the heck is the music at the start I can't focus on anything except it Comment from : @chancyburgers2147

Всё тоже самое услышать бы на русском языкеbrEverything the same would be heard in Russian Comment from : @МишаК-нотов

What people forget is that a team that wins 103 games in the regular season are playing a lot of sub 500 teams Yes, they can beat up on teams that aren't as good in a game that doesn't mean that much but in the playoffs, when things start to actually matter and hands clench up, you aren't going to beat the above 500 teams that have big names (clutch players) Arod was one of the best that ever played the game in regular seasonbut put him in a playoff series and he tenses up and performs poorly Comment from : @aaacomp1

I really liked the movie, and I think the moneyball approach has its value, but I don't buy into it 100 Strong pitching, solid defense, smart base running and clutch hitting still key essentials to winning And I love bunting and stealing bases Comment from : @robomacman

Interesting video, but very bad conclusion They truly got the most they could out of their abysmal budget Unfortunately, that wasn’t enough to win the series Comment from : @linoleum77

Those scouts found the big 3 Comment from : @ethanniedorowski116

I'm a big fan of both the movie and the book, Moneyball Having said that, like most books and movies, Moneyball doesn't cover every aspect of the subject I think this video critique excels at pointing out some of the obvious questions overlooked in Moneyball, such as why couldn't the A's of that era win in the postseason? Good question, but I don't think the A's lack of playoff success during that time discounts the overall story behind Moneyball The movie does make the factual point that after all was said and done, the A's lost in the playoffs that year It doesn't ignore that fact brbrAlso, Moneyball does what most movies do: they compress complex events covering a span of time into a movie length story This means the players that get prime-time are the ones that fit the story Sure, it isn't fair to the A's starting pitchers and other players who were a big reason for their successful season but didn't get mentioned in the movie brbrBut hats off to Michael Lewis for doing the work and writing the book Overall, Moneyball educated thousands of fans to an aspect of the game they would have otherwise never realized existed Comment from : @rwbpiano

Data Analytics lead to how teams shifted on players based on their tendency Comment from : @garethridings5338

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What a stupid take You're gonna ignore the hundreds of games Oakland won over this period and the fact that every team has an analyctics department now--because of the success of these Oakland teams--cause of a post season sample when they were 8-12? The same things win baseball games in the post season as the regular season It's literally the exact same game Barry Bonds never won a world series, so does his style of play not work or something? Obv you'd never say this Comment from : @paulg6274

There are two aspects of pretty much all sports that have to be reckoned with: 1 winning in the regular season to get to the post-season, and 2 winning in the post-season to become THE champion These are sort of the points that "Moneyball" glossed over The analytics and metrics are so different in each category During any given season in baseball, teams are organized based on pre-existing data sets going back one to three years This fine tuned during the season, especially regarding the bullpen, with real-time analytics The post-season is a completely different animal Although teams playing in the post-season can rely on data analytics carried over from the regular season, the greatest attention is paid to the pitching staff Yogi Berra once quipped: "At any time good hitting can beat good pitchingand, vice versa" Not so in the post-season: here it is all about pitching During the regular season, you are trying to win games by getting on base and scoring runs In the post-season, it is about the exact opposite: winning by getting batters out through strike-outs or non-scoring outs It has to be done this way since there are so fewer games in the post-season I'll never forget this conversation I had with a die hard Yankee fan during one post-season He was convinced the Yanks were gonna win it all with the likes of Jeter, A Rod, Sheffield, etc hitting the ball at will He was so frustrated because opposing team pitching pitched meticulously to these players and down they wentA Rod and all Comment from : @thejils1669

money ball don't jiggle jiggle Comment from : @clintflippo917

I lived in the SF Bay Area in 2002 I am an Athletics fan I went into a depression when Tejada left Comment from : @McDago100

Why does this video play a wake up alarm throughout, it’s horribly annoying Not sure if I can finish this video Comment from : @merkazoidduff7651

It's a movie not a history class ! Comment from : @stefanomagaddino6868

PETER BRAND IS NOT HIS REAL NAME, IRL HE IS PAUL DEPODESTA BEANE GOT FROM THE INDIANS, HE DIDN'T WANT HIS REAL NAME USED Comment from : @dr3754

It clearly worked because it was all based on math & the sabermetrics systems Bill James employed It allowed a team with virtually the least payroll in the league to compete with the teams with the highest payroll in the league The problem is that now all the teams have adapted the system & because of this, the jig is up… Comment from : @acason4

What was their bottom line, how much money did this team make during this period? Also was there drug use by some players on baseball teams during this period of time? It was an interesting time in baseball! I liked the movie, gets you to thinking about the game!!!!!! Comment from : @dantecarpino7500

Moneyball brought sabermetrics to a wider audience but Lewis made some mistakes and draws some wrong conclusions from the concepts he wrote about I remember one passage describing BABIP and Lewis falsely concluded that batting average is completely arbitrary and players have no control over batting average Tony Gwynn might have something to say about that Billy Beane has even backed off some of his positions when the book was written He admits he undervalued fielding and concedes that drafting only college prospects will limit the ceiling of your prospect pool and cause you to miss out on elite talent Everyone with a brain knew that looking at batting average in a vacuum and ignoring OBP was dumb and that RBIs and pitcher wins are silly stats for the back of baseball cards This isn't sabermetrics, it's common sense that goes back to baseballs inception What's sabermetrics didwas highlight the importance of having as much information as possible, and that information ideally being as objective as possible This was achieved with stats like FIP and BABIP, which helped to eliminate some of the fluff and focus only on what you could ensure the player had control over You need a bunch of stats to fully paint a picture on a player and the more information, the better Comment from : @matthewmead2374

The Philadelphia Eagles practiced Moneyball a lot in the late 1990s, shedding players right at the end of their prime, when they still had market value Bill James spilled the "Beanes" it was just Billy Beane's own underachievement that showed him how not to draft people Comment from : @raygordonteacheschess5501

Foolish Baseball did a video about Earl Weaver who did Moneyball way before the A's did it Platooning, finding value in walks and on base percentage, and bullpen use brbrMoneyball will continue to work until the next real revolution comes Comment from : @Memorex996

Wtf is that background music Comment from : @jmreeves89

8:30 "A factor the RED SOX dismissed" Comment from : @raygordonteacheschess5501

I went to almost every Mets home game from 1980- early 1982 and never once heard the name Billy Beane Strawberry and other minor leaguers were the focus I remember Don Nyer saying in 1983 that the Tidewater team was ten runs better than the Mets Either way, Beane was never the future of the Mets Not even close Comment from : @raygordonteacheschess5501

Actually it did The 2004 world series Red Sox based their strategy on Billy bean and Oakland Comment from : @thomasjdm7388

the music & audio quality already makes me discredit this video Comment from : @wessmith3417

Moneyball did work the Boston Red Sox higher Bill James and they won the world series twice Comment from : @jeremycoffman9771

Yeah idk I think we all know the better players win like no shit But it's not like Billy Bean went well I don't want these better players so I'll choose Moneyball He didn't have an either or choice You make it sound at the end it was his choice to ignore fielding snd base running abilities because they had no value He couldn't afford to have both and decided if I can only have one than getting on base was the one to choose and he was right Comment from : @45heisman

this channel is criminally underrated Comment from : @CourticalHoops

Moneyball did work that's how the Boston Red Sox won the world series Comment from : @jeremycoffman9771

While I do agree with some of the Sabermetrics expressed in the movie there are some in the movie I disagree with! No base stealing should be individual basis regarding Runner Pitcher Catcher Another is bunting Butcher Boy bunting and bunting against the shift should always be in the playbook! brAlso back in the late 70s and early 80 when I played Highschool ball our coach was obsessed with on base percentage and didn't care how it came He was a first year baseball coach after the baseball coach [former MLB player] quit right before the season and the school asked the basketball coach to take over the team He had played college baseball at in the late 60s The first year we went 21 and 1 in the regular season but was beat in the first round of the region playoffs by a team we beat twice badly The next year we went 22 and 0 in the regular season and was beat in the second round of the state playoffs by another team we beat badly in the regular season, the third year was the same except we made the state playoffs but was beat in the first round! Comment from : @mobeydick37

The final statement, about how the film portrayed the Athletics as a floundering team with no prior history of success, is inaccurate The film opens with the Athletics dropping huge portraits of former stars, now traded, from the outside stadium to the parking lot Comment from : @mattwalker5129

Not true moneyball works just fine for the regular seasonjust not post seasonexcept for The Raysthey just happened to get a few guys that were way above avg and could produce in the post season but over all it works if u want to be cheap and at least put a competitive team on the field every year Comment from : @dantegreco1

I think the Braves this season at he deadline is a great example on how moneyball can work They lost their entire outfield, and instead of looking to find 1-2 big name guys, they traded for 4 players who most didn’t see high value in and rotated them based on statistical matchups each day It led to them winning it all Comment from : @sstorey79

Just look at the dodgers last year and braves this year Sure dodgers had the luxury of paying for stars but also took chances and people nobody wanted Comment from : @MrAlvin714

Beane hardly hopes people don’t analyze the post season Even in movie he acknowledges that if you don’t win the last game of the season, they will be dismissed They are very open about their losing in the playoffs Comment from : @YouDontWantItWithMe

Your “true or false” segment is really confusing It’s not always clear which statement you’re talking about Comment from : @YouDontWantItWithMe

Money Ball does work Every team today is using some variation of it Wealthier teams not only can pay for better quality research, they can pay to keep top talent Things like RsBI, a pitcher’s W-L, BA, Ks, etc, not really being factors was figured out by Branch Rickey and his team of mathematicians back in 1954 It just took the baseball world 50 years to catch up The big difference today is that with more cameras capturing data from more angles, which has made reliable defensive stats also possible, his formula can be made better and less incomplete Add in things like release point, THH, etc, and players can thus be evaluated more thoroughlybrbrTeams that do the better evaluations will rise to the topbrbrAlso, the movie makes it clear the A’s lost twice in the ALCS before Money Ball, meaning Money Ball was not the reason for those series losses That is glossing over facts, something this video criticized Beane and the movie of doing Comment from : @GetRidOfCivilAssetForfeiture

Let's go Brandon Comment from : @ericdiekmann2308

I think you're missing the point a bit If Tejada had more disciplined at bats, his OBP would have been even better that year He had 30-40 more at bats than Hatteberg and Justice that year but had a worse (but fairly close) OBP than them But yeah, you don't discount a good player I'm with you therebrbrBut that extra 20-30 in OBP would have resulted in his total number of bases skyrocketing, which means more runs, which means more wins Comment from : @jonwisniewski9846

Interesting you mentioned 'small ball' which Bean seemed to totally disregard in the movie when he told his guys NOT to bunt and NOT to steal bases This is after the economics guy told him in Cleveland when they first met , " You should be buying RUNS" Manufacturing these runs with 'small ball' seems to be directly in line with winning without great talent , but Bean disregarded it My philosophy, still today is that Managers who consistently STRAND runners in scoring position, and lose games WITHOUT resorting to 'small ball' to increase run production and decrease LOB's should be the FIRST ones to lose their jobs, Right? That being said, how the hell did Mike Scosscia keep his job with the Angels for nearly 20 years with those extremely 'HIGH $$ player payrolls I never ONCE saw the Angels 'squeeze bunt' and rarely saw them even ATTEMPT a stolen base Comment from : @sleepytickle

When people make vidoes just to get clicks by taking polar-opposite positions Moneyball not only "works" in baseball but now is starting to work in soccer Comment from : @rufuspipemos

True false true false truer false brMy god everyone must be as confused as I am as to what was true and what was false Comment from : @Franciscasieri

Don't downplay Billy Beans impact You have to go really far back to grab those WS titles by the A's By the time Bean arrived they had such a low budget they couldn't compete and he was amazing and finding talent for cheep He still is The A's are never bad more than a few years in a row before they have yet another resurgence, and it's all bean He loses all of his stars repeatedly, but always manages to put a great team back together If he was GM of the yankees or red sox he'd have multiple titles by now Comment from : @anthonyparkernearlifeexp

The movie is enjoyable and what Oakland has done is very neat to see, but I MUCH rather have seen the Rays covered in a movie format They have an owner dying to move to team to Montreal and plans to actually move to Tampa (currently in St Pete [less than half the population of the 2nd smallest MLB market within 30 minutes]) have failed several times in franchise history Despite this and a budget that rivals that 2002 A's team, the Rays have been among the most competitive teams for the last 5 years, even making it to last year's world series All of this inside of arguably the strongest division in baseball (AL East) compared to the relatively easier AL West that Oakland is in Hell, they even have their own book named "The Extra 2: How Wall Street Strategies Took a Major League Baseball Team from Worst to First" Sure, the Rays have had their fair share of star talent in those years, but they have carried far less weight than what Tejada, Mulder, Zito, and Hudson did Comment from : @Iamunoriginal2

When John Henry offered Billy Beane $12 million and Beane decided the offer, it was the classic example of when two fools met Comment from : @georgesouthwick7000

Was a great movie Comment from : @Jay-iu5qz

For all the hype surrounding the A’s 20 game win streak in 2002, an often forgotten fact is that during that time they extended their division lead by only 3 games Over that same period, the second place Angels went 17-3 Of course the Angels would have the last laugh as they were World Series Champions that year, advancing through the playoffs as the Wild Card team While the A’s (as stated in the video) lost in the first round to the Twins This after taking a 2 games to 1 lead but ultimately choking and losing Games 4 & 5 (a pattern of the A’s in the Billy Beane era) Comment from : @mandymayne8759

I love the movie, despite it over looking the 2002 AL CY young Zito, 2002 AL MVP Tejada, 2002 silver slugger ang gold glove third base Chavez, having all star catcher Hernandez, having mulder, Hudson, lidle also in the rotation Having Jermaine Dye Having the arrival of players to the team wrong like Jermery Giambi got here in 2000, Bradford was already on the club in 2001 But I know they’re gonna stretch the truth for a movie so I don’t take it as a factual movie and I really like the movie and Beanes relationships with others while trying to not be stressed and have it bleed into his child’s life and such Comment from : @rtyable

I enjoyed the movie a lot I believe the success of MoneyBall drew immediate attention from the Red Sox with the caveat what if we search for these values and add money, maybe better defense I agree the fact they had 3 epic pitching horses plus Tejada was completely glossed over Also keep in mind Sabermetrics does remove the human element It’s a pattern to win over a long term 162 game season But everyone in baseball knows the baseball playoffs are the hardest to navigate for the simple fact when the shittiest team takes 2 of 3 from the best it’s not incredible… It’s baseball Comment from : @DisAccountizaMiracle

Why did u choose this music it’s scary asf😭 Comment from : @batmanwhydidyousaythatname9832

It worked as well as it couldve Baseball has too many perameters Too many points in the season that can turn the momentum on a dime It did work but you had unforseeable issues Thats baseball reality Comment from : @bradkirchhoff3751

The first time I ever watched this movie with friends I said right away, they are completely leaving out that Tejada had an mvp season in 02, and that the pitching staff was amazing Comment from : @Johnniethesportsguy

The background sounds are unnecessarily annoying and creepy at the same time Comment from : @Dewabarasunderan

I never knew Chris Pratt had some pop in his bat?!?!? Comment from : @thecman26

Holy moly that music is making it hard to follow what you are saying Comment from : @helderboymh

Was the real Billy Beane such a whiney little bitch about not going to college? The guy made at least a half million playing baseball in the 80s and got a job as a scout the day his career ended He became a GM within 7 years and was making $1 million a year in 2001 Comment from : @Paul-vf2wl

Had to stop watching as the background music was so loud I had to strain to hear the dialogue Comment from : @gutshotgames

My take from Moneyball was something Brad Pitt says near the beginning of the movie, you can't beat someone who actually is better by playing their way, you have to come up with something different They did come up with something different and performed better than anyone expected them to No purely analytical approach will reliably work when you're analyzing people as people aren't perfectly predictable, but choosing to focus on different stats will get different results and if you're dead last what have you got to lose? Comment from : @darthhodges

turn down the "background" music Comment from : @martymet

The downfall of "Moneyball" was that teams with money could also pay for better statistical analysis and predictive analytics and therefore pay more for players with data-tested run production potential Oh, in addition to cheating by stealing signs and beating on trash cans to signal the pitch Comment from : @nlabanok

Moneyball both the movie and the book seem to me to just feed into the absurd narrative that “some teams just can’t compete” meanwhile all Mlb owners are multi millionaires that could easily invest in their team and choose not to by telling they’re fan bases it’s not their fault because they’re small market (look at the Rockies literally giving the best 3rd baseman in their franchises history away) Comment from : @joeriley5099

Yes but he did change the game and the way they use the statistics Comment from : @edrowland4614

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