Cheap Chinese Carbon Road Bikes... Are They Worth It?

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Title	:	Cheap Chinese Carbon Road Bikes... Are They Worth It?
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What about the Twitter bike that seems pretty ok Yes or no?
Comment from : @MrCarstennielsen

Nice video Thanks
Comment from : @MrCarstennielsen

Greetings from factory
Comment from : @JerryLiu-o3i

What do you think of twitter storm 20?
Comment from : @8100carino

Great video - looking on one of those myself as my Canyon frame has cracked after just 1 year What do they call the colors in your paint cheme? REALLY nice design :)
Comment from : @clausfriishansen2247

Have you had any dealings with BXT wheels or frame sets?
Comment from : @MrFozzie500

These are over $5000 I wouldn't say they are cheap
Comment from : @tuber6382

Is that true? Did the DPD driver ask you for money on your doorstep?
Comment from : @donovanvaz3289

Propaganda, ridiculing Chinese brands, but the fact is, both here and there, there are companies producing crap and those that make things that are often even better than those here so it's such nonsense that makes no sense
Comment from : @htcshaft44444

i had sue Alliexpress for a lose of over £400 its a sick crap company
Comment from : @googlelimp9834

Actually The Elves brand is so hype here in Philippines
Comment from : @mil0_plays101

The real question is, super expensive western bikes, are they worth the money paid?
Comment from : @thecommunist

I have one of the cheapest frames, ceccotti branded, $300, been riding it for 3 years now and no issues It's not the lightest weight frame out there at 1,2kg but it's pretty robust With chinese frames the higher the price the lighter they are, so at least they have entry level carbon frames for the masses, unlike the big brands
Comment from : @seraph4581

Cool videoIm a fan of aliexpress!
Comment from : @CyclingAlgarvePortugal

What are the best unbranded frames? Any recommendations
Comment from : @josecarrillop

China need to pay you ?br:)
Comment from : @CharlesM236

Is HYGGE MODEL S on your list? 🤓
Comment from : @SaschaRissling

Western companies also invest in better Quality assurance
Comment from : @Ignash

Come on bro stop spreading lies, pinarello, sworks, BMC all produce in China too
Comment from : @adamosman848

why do you think ltwoo is a bad buy? I remember there were problems with bleeding were there any other problems?
Comment from : @varweg

I have that EC90 saddle on my scott foil (first gen) and for the price is great, as well fitted the foil with one piece handlebar from og-evkin, after two years no issues (paid 140euros for them), also bought some cycling jerseys from spexcel and they are bang for the buck I would recommend buying those products for people who know little bit more about the bike and the maintanance
Comment from : @christianheffner92

As for Chinese frames do your research I have been riding a velobuild endurance frame with press fit bottom bracket All goodbr Another frame from this brand has a threaded bottom bracket I've have heard the threads were not cut cleanly Probably poor or dull dies br But again I am very happy my endurance frame sofar and I also have put a 105 groupset on it Everything fit with no extra work
Comment from : @renegadeflyer2

Just the fact that Chinese people creates brands with the clear intent to mimic (badly) known western brands, keeps me away from that crap
Comment from : @BICIeCOMPUTERconGabriele

All carbon bikes are cheap Chinese bikes you pay for the name
Comment from : @Stevehatesgravel

Import tax is the reason I’d never buy from Asia, I was robbed once by the tax people never again
Comment from : @mikebeattie976

£100 on your doorstep, that sounds like a scam to me (unless he had paperwork but this is done usually before) As the Ex-importer of one of these brands I can tell you most will mark the value down to avoid import tax for you the customer However this means it can randomly be stopped or slip through When I had the business we always used the correct invoice price and paid our taxes! Most I can tell you do not
Comment from : @whitebeardcycles

calling shimano a western company is funny
Comment from : @daytonjohnson

"Use western groupset Shimano" lol
Comment from : @davidlau2467

Have ltwoo erx and er9brDone 2000km on one bike and 3000 on the other Works mint No issues at all
Comment from : @pigupigu

Woke generation and made in china contemplate each other very well
Comment from : @boots8683

Should have built a rim mechanical build… Less complicated, always have had great products buying Chinese open mould
Comment from : @KushPizzaSleep

Just wanted to say thanks Bought and did my first build of a Falath Evo/ Ultegra R8000 and thanks to your insightful videos, all went well and I’m super pleased with the new ride Thanks again for your great work!
Comment from : @jayheb1977

Shimano is also an asian brand lol
Comment from : @bingbing3464

From my experience buying well known Chinese road bike frames I would give it a 7 out of 10 They’re lightweight, stiff, but quite uncomfortable to ride in my opinion particularly the Winspace SLC
Comment from : @DDGB08

Thanksfir thos compact review Luke is now on his SECOND rear derailleur and that doesn't bode well for L-TWOO
Comment from : @jamesmckenzie3532

100 agree Have a custom painted Yoeleo R12 (2023) and two wheel sets with Shimano Ultegra Di2 12 speed, stages power pedals, power mirror saddle and a nice ManuF BB Such a great ride Not ultra cheap due to all the high end parts but still significant savings compared to a comparable brand frame or a -reassembled bike Had an issue with one of the rear hubs - Yoeleo sent a replacement part and all was well
Comment from : @meibing4912

The answer is No
Comment from : @JFomo

I build Elves Vanyar Pro 2024 , with sram rival , carbon wheels and I love it , well worth it
Comment from : @MultiEski

The only issues with Shimano have been Ult/DA cranks Anyone on the market for CN components isn't even going to be thinking about Ult/DA anyways Complete opposite sides of the socioeconomic spectrum 9999 of people will never have a problem with Shimano components and their entry level stuff is king
Comment from : @cjohnson3836

I made a claim on my elves frame and they swaped it out with no problems Elves also had great communication thru out
Comment from : @chicagotat2

Shimano is from Asia so an Asian setup is still good
Comment from : @pskonejott2568

That pretty much the right route to go That said, in my opinionwe need to talk about the 'tuning' of a carbon bike I've yet to see a chinese frame to compare to the big brands in this area Great content as usual
Comment from : @MyRestoration1

Hopefully, I'll be looking to order a Falath Evo frameset soon I'm excited to actually build my next bike up from scratch Jourdain, or anyone with the frame, could someone tell me how wide the downtube and seat tube are? From side to side?
Comment from : @EricWohnig

Regarding groupsets, have you tried Microshift? They only do mechanical, but my understanding is that they are solid purchases at a better price than the two big brands
Comment from : @Frostbiker

You did well to only get slammed with Import once I would love to know how they decide what they let slide and what they don't
Comment from : @Mapdec

Using your advice I bought the Elves Falath Pro but with 105 Di2 and Elite wheels
Comment from : @purpleaki7135

Those Ltwoo groupsets looks amazing value for money, I'm sure there's a few teething issues which will be sorted very quickly, but for £650 for full hydraulic disc/DI2 woah I was going to build a bike myself, fortunately or unfortunately with Wiggle/chain reactions demise, they discounted a bike more than i could possibly build it (at the moment with known brands, SRAM) Cheers for the video, always interesting to watch/listen to over a coffee 👍🙏
Comment from : @scottmccann4509

Love the rinasclta such a nice bike , would be lieing if I said I hadn't been looking at that frame set for my own Chinese bike build 😂 after watching your build looks like a fun and annoying process
Comment from : @charliecook6909

Big branded frames are overpriced No reasons to buy them, only for design and color
Comment from : @МихаилЗахаров-ъ2б

Jourdain, i think that was a fair assessment and the results similar to mine, although not in the same quantities The bottom line is that if your not prepared to potentially "throw the item away" if it is not to your expectations - don't buy I have an Ican gravel frame (cannot fault it) fitted with Sensah Empire Pro/Senicx crank The Sensah FD proved to be a challenge to set-up In the end i swapped it out for a sram FD The RD seems to "loose" its indexing fairy regularly but when working shifts well I am not sure if i would recommend Sensah and will probably swap it out for a Shimano set-up when funds allow Keep up the good work 👏👏
Comment from : @markeasey469

Asian frames and wheels are just as good Been using them without issues and the best thing is I saved loads BTW, Shimano is Asian, too 😂
Comment from : @joeteo6536

I have done it this way Sram Force axs groupset plus Chinese frame and wheels from seller which is 7 years on al and have 987 positive feedback Happy with both my bikes Super fast and solid machines
Comment from : @rowerazzzzzeee

Yes, this video is exactly correct in my experience I have two Chinese bikes, a Yoeleo R12 (2023) and ICAN A10 (2020), the later is a rim brake aero frame No problems with either Really fantastic value (Note, I have Ultegra Di2 on both, and I had the builds done at a LBS by people who know what they are doing) Both have really good QC in small details Better than a 2018 mid-level Specialized Tarmac I had previously By details, I mean roundness of BB area, how closely the derailleur hanger fits into frame, and the wheel dropouts I've had two sets of ICAN wheels (Aero 50), I really like them, they seem indestructible Earlier I had bought one set of Yoeleo wheels (2018), my first foray into Chinese stuff, they were not as good, one developed cracks along the nipple holes after 2 years, around 12,000 km (at which point I figure I had gotten my money's worth) I bought a set of Elite Carbon 50D wheels earlier this year for the Yoeleo R12 I really like them so far brbrYoeleo now has 6-year warranty on frames For a couple hundred USD they extend it to lifetime My ICAN came with a 2-year warranty Great customer service Great communication with both companies I just bought a pair of 3D printed saddles from a company called West Cycling on EBay (also sold on Aliexpress) About $100 each Time will tell So far, so good, very comfortable brbrI might consider a Chinese groupset someday But not yet They are too new to that business And YouTube reviews are not encouraging brbrSo, as you say, wheels and frames are a safe option, and concentrate on Yoeleo, Elves, Winspace, and ICAN as things stand in late 2023 Possibly Velobuild Also Elite Carbon, and another wheel company or two that I'm forgetting
Comment from : @stuartdryer1352

Elves Falath pro sram axs winspace D67 selle carbon saddle co-efficient carbon barsas good as a sl7-8 hands down total build £3250
Comment from : @davemellor4697

Informative video Thanks I'm buying a new Yoeleo R-12 frame, Shimano Di2 12 speed group set, and Elite Drive wheels for Xmas Going to pass on the L-Twoo electronic group set even though I could save $1000 USD
Comment from : @donwinston

Chinese frames giving 5 year warranty while Italian fames only 2 They also cost like 5 times the price
Comment from : @christosandreev6392

After many decades of using bike parts, I don't value warranty at all The big brands will dodge warranty claims every time, so you're better off saving the money up front Just ask shimano crank owners 😂
Comment from : @galenkehler

I see some Chinese frames appearing on German "Kleinanzeigen" (craigslist like) and they are nearly unsalable So one must calculate that there is no realistic way to get money back once the honeymoon period is over or when the frame is of the wrong size If you buy a used 10 year or Specialized or Trek bike you for sure can get some 100s of Euro when you decide to sell it
Comment from : @FuchsHorst

Exactly what I’m ending up doing for my future build brI’ll go with Asian frame like trifox x18, I have found a good 105 hydraulic 11s used, and there’s a lot of good wheels used on the market too Crankset and « accessories » will come from china too brbrIMO best way to keep it relatively cheap, and still have solid quality brbrHappy to see that you’re opting for that route too, conforts me to my choice 😅
Comment from : @jujurm

Can you show how you built the bike stand/hanger visible at around 00:08 ? I bet most people here have too many bikes and are in need for every tip to store them convenienctly
Comment from : @FuchsHorst

Shimano is not a Western brand
Comment from : @ht1881

Warranty and support is important when buying a new bike So I would not buy from Chinese retailers but I would buy accessories
Comment from : @highfived

What about the vanyar Pro Disc ? any update ?
Comment from : @jakou31

I wouldn't risk anything without support in the country I live They might be cheaper, but once things go wrong, you are on your own
Comment from : @cauldron101