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Meet the Counterfeit $20 Gold Saint-Gaudens - Which One is Real, Which One is Fake?

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One minute in and I could immediately detect the fake one - it’s’ patina showed much different than the actual one @ right That consistent soft yellow-y, late afternoon summer sun luster is devoid throughout the faker Thickness too between them both differ when examining the third sides
Comment from : @luvbasses5487

Both looks real to me !
Comment from : @revbikerbigd8664

Only the grading companies have genuine coins the rest are either fake , low grade or counterfeit How can you copy a coin that is difficult and expensive to process only a person who is really wealthy is capable of doing that but again it is impossible because they are not crazy to do stupid things that will ruin their lives These coins are real the grader is fake
Comment from : @michaelguilas4057

Wow!!
Comment from : @rickbruceroche2038

I was most caught off guard with the edge Thanks for the great video! That helped a lot I got the grainy issue and luster You did a Great job showing the differences
Comment from : @suec3215

What would be a good price for a 1927 one of these?
Comment from : @Chachi_USMC18

I thought St Gaudens double eagles had a reeded edgeDo some years have lettering and some have reeds, which years are which?
Comment from : @2trips850

Great video 👍
Comment from : @asheland_numismatics

That's a scary good looking counterfeit! I thought the left coin immediately because Liberty's hair and face seemed very soft which is off for a coin that appears to be in very high grade I couldn't tell by color as much, though that may be my computer screen
Comment from : @jackstehlik1942

So if the counterfeit is made of real gold, why not just smelt it and sell the raw gold
Comment from : @Juan_Doooh

When you flipped the Eagles have it away to me immediately But overall a fairly well done fake
Comment from : @borisperez3129

How do you know it doesn’t have a tungsten core?
Comment from : @clarencescherich539

Great video thanks for sharing, with out the loop it was for me to tell the real from the fake You could see the differnce in the reflection the cart wheel effect
Comment from : @farmdog1476

Wow, I am really bad at this!! 😮
Comment from : @sandiepaul9421

Luster is my favorite word in numismatics
Comment from : @swEEtcoinsdOOd

Scary stuff Makes one only want to buy slabbed coins oh wait, they fake those too Haha
Comment from : @noobismatic

Yikes! That is scary good
Comment from : @don951

Ben says that you can trade (buy/sell) that fake gold coin for bullion value But isn't it illegal to trade a fake coin? Don't you need to stamp something onto the coin itself like the word "COPY"?
Comment from : @ytguy2010

Very informative Probably one of the best counterfeits I have seen I'm always interested in examples so I can spot them if necessary Do you have examples of good counterfeits of silver eagles? I have not seen any truly accurate copies which is reassuring, but if you have examples that you think are scary close it would be good to get your take on how to distinguish them apart If you have other examples of scary accurate counterfeits I would also love to see more videos about that Only other truly accurate fake I have seen, that is not obvious, is the omega coin brbrI have not heard of the spark erosion method of counterfeiting On a quick search it seems they just directly erode a planchet, but maybe they make dies by this method too? Is the main distinction the way the finish looks like you were pointing out, or are there other traits to pick out?brbrScary accurate how they were able to get Thanks for making this video! I thought I had developed an eye for fakes but I would not have been able to truly say what was the fake in this example if you hadn't shared
Comment from : @GreenWonder09

Really hard to tell without a real coin to compare
Comment from : @tomvayne7578

Great video very informative I like learning about counterfeits Nobody wants to get burnt on a purchase
Comment from : @kitnye5729

Insanely good fake
Comment from : @countrycorner9337

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Comment from : @ryanstieglitz777

BITD, mainly the 70s, many faked gold coins came out of Lebanon brBen, we saw $20 Gold coins we(USA) used to pay for Saudi Oil in the 60s & 70s, someone working there(Saudi Arabia) was paid in gold coins, they were struck with $20 Liberty obverse, and a totally different reverse Our LCS saw 6 of them and bought 5
Comment from : @williamguirl7735

Good lessonThank you for sharing
Comment from : @lpandy21

Well I was wrong as can be on this one That's a dangerous counterfeit How many have been ripped off and don't even know it?
Comment from : @fifteenbyfive

To the real ones that knew the fakejust know we are a very, very small group of people
Comment from : @Jimmy_81

The fakes keep getting harder for me to spot which is why I only buy certified Of course now there are good fake PCGS holders out there
Comment from : @kevin9742-o9g

Sylar? The bad guy from Heroes? Talk about obscure references!
Comment from : @timber72

What a shame that mankind is so enamored with fraud and theft
Comment from : @timber72

That spark erosion looks much better than I would have thought Maybe you can tell from luster, but what if it's a worn coin like a bust half sparked from a real AU coin? How do the grading companies tell the difference between one of those and a cleaned or damaged genuine?brbrGreat video Thanks!
Comment from : @drosborne7510

I got it right I initially suspected it from seeing both obverse But, as soon as you showed the reverses, there was something "off" about the eagle on the fake one, especially with how the light reflected off of it when moving it around😢
Comment from : @MichaelC_22

I’ll bet el Geeko can speak love just fine Be a good doggie ur daughters will hound ya
Comment from : @borisbuliak3626

I stay away from the 1924 unless it is graded
Comment from : @stevenhigby3512

Great video Ben, thanks for documenting this!
Comment from : @kevinwaltz8852

As a novice, I predicted the left coin So many things didn’t look age appropriate
Comment from : @yotefan8286

China bought alot of the old equipment for scrap and took it back to China when the US mints were going with new equipment They also have been buying alot of rare coins in PCGS, NGC and other slabs With modern computers they can counterfeit not only the coin but the slab too Some of these counterfeits even fool the auction houses!
Comment from : @lestercoons3962

That is tough
Comment from : @harrybond1485

OK good, my eyes are still good At a glance, the shiny luster of the left looked fake right away The hit on the right coin's obverse, I assume from the rim of another $20, told me that one was real Note to self: only buy these graded
Comment from : @jamesgoss1860

Hi Ben - nice in depth commentary - I still could not tell the difference if you put those coins in front of me, but with this video I MAY have a shot at telling the difference Thanks and Best Wishes
Comment from : @michaelgoodspeed846

My first thought when I saw the reflectance was that the coin on the left reflected too much light over too large of a surface I figured it was the fake, and I certainly wouldn't have known the difference had it been presented to me for sale
Comment from : @StevenDietrich-k2w

When comparing the two finishes on the fake one that look is also on fake Lincoln’s as well
Comment from : @masterofcents8175

How did you inquire this coin?
Comment from : @Jaybizzy33

Way over my pay grade thanks for the education 😊 great video
Comment from : @JUST1N888

The 🤪 part for me is I just bought my first saint and it's also the common 1924 but mine is cacg 64 🤓
Comment from : @CertifiedPre33

Nice class for newbies thanks👍
Comment from : @jeffnelson4489

Thanks Ben!
Comment from : @robertscagnelli1011

It's a good copy could fool a few people Including me I dont deal with manny American coins so at a glance it looks ok some fakes are realy crude When you inspect upclose it is a little grainy also devices arnt as sharpe Thanks ben excellent information best type of videos love the information gained 👍👍
Comment from : @sam7687-i9b

I hate to say it fairly quality copy 😳
Comment from : @CertifiedPre33