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1909-S Indian Head Cent - "Altered" S Mint Mark

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Comment from : @SotayLay

get a certifeid one unless you are at expert level
Comment from : @davidbell9130

Did you ever think to consider that maybe Coin Grading companies are creating these problems so that they could be used to grade coins? They would have a vested interest to do so
Comment from : @dominickraimo2411

Any idea on how they got it to stick to the coin?
Comment from : @jasonhastings5538

I got a fake one on eBay many years ago when I bought a partial Whitman album of IHCs I pushed on it with a toothpick and it moved Luckily I didn't pay much for the lessons
Comment from : @petepal55

There are only 2 reverse dies for the 1909-S Indian, and the "S" punch is the same as the 1908-S If you learn to recognize that characteristic open "S" with parallel serifs, you'll weed out the fakes
Comment from : @timber72

Suggestion: Set the coin(s) on a stable holder/table with a camera tripod Holding in hand requires two things to be still Hard to do
Comment from : @bassmaster1953

Excellent video
Comment from : @frankchase9297

Happy holidays to you and your family Ben ⛄🎄🦌
Comment from : @JackFrost-xvxv

Is the embossed mint mark easier to spot?
Comment from : @tomvayne7578

Thanks for the Video Ben from, me "the friend of the show" that sent in the coin I hope it helps others "not get fooled again" a-la-Pete Townshend :-) I bought this coin on ebay about 10 years ago but did not send it in to get graded until a few years later with a group I sent in Alas, I can not find the old transaction to chase down who ever sold it to me Who knows they may have been folled too? I have learned a lot on what to look for, but there are so many good fakes of all kinds, its hard to keep up Thanks again!
Comment from : @markustg09

Merry Christmas , Ben! Now I’m going to have to take another look at the one I received from my Grandmother about 40-45 years ago
Comment from : @alwaysseekingsilver

Excellent - and a very merry Christmas to you and yours
Comment from : @Samscoinsandheavymetal

You can often spot an altered 1909-S by looking at the obverse It's true A genuine 1909-S will always be lacking detail on the first feather of Liberty's headress A 1909-P, at least in high grade, is expected to show full detail in that feather So if you have a 1909-S with full detail in the first feather, you can be sure it's altered with an added S
Comment from : @jeffw1267

Ben: Wow! This is why you always get higher-valued coins slabbed by PCGS or NGC Great lesson for all of us! Cheers
Comment from : @jeemalsoknownasjimhawkins1294

Aren't mintmarks from this era hand-punched into the dies? I'd expect some variation in every die-to-die
Comment from : @davidbarber7487

A old time coin dealer once told me about the 1909-S Indian cent, that there was a counterfeiter in the San Francisco Bay area in the 1960’s that was extremely good counterfeiter of the 1909-S Indian cent He had an example and we compare it to the one I purchased on EBay It was extremely hard to tell the difference Fortunately, I got a graded and it came back AU58
Comment from : @scooter4059

Yes, Hi i
Comment from : @charlesroof7121

Wow that is scary and would be a very expensive mistake to purchase, I feel for the person who got took buying the counterfeit
Comment from : @kevinpoggensee3044

Thanks Ben
Comment from : @mikefisher5940

Excellent information Ben! That is a scary good counterfeit but with the right information can be detected without too much difficulty
Comment from : @tylonnplatinumthe3rd659

Wow, it does look like it's stuck on But i could never tell unless you had the two side by side, Thanks
Comment from : @joelp6197

Good stuff to know 👍 Thanks!! Do you see things like this with 1912 V nickels as well?
Comment from : @Ontario100

So how do they attach the fake "s", super glue?
Comment from : @typeviic1

Never really thought about the added mintmark being raised Glad you brought that to attention Thank you
Comment from : @ColinS-jf2hj

Ben, you're really good at explaining how to recognize this counterfeit, all in just a few minutes As usual, your excellent visuals to provide context and true understanding TY
Comment from : @ericdelmar2618

I bought something similar in 2004- my first counterfeit purchasebrbrThe giveaway that I didn't notice was a blob of toning between the one cent that covered the casting markbrbrLooking back, it was a stupid thing to do in buying it- but I was emerging from being a straight bullion guy into coin collecting
Comment from : @GardenerEarthGuy