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Token Ring Networking

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Hold up that was a 166MHz CPU at 23:37 and the BIOS at 24:47 says 200MHz! That'll probably be why that Apitva was so unreliable (edit: Ah just saw the more recent video and your comment!)
Comment from : @stevec00ps

Wow! Blast from the past My first network/admin gig (Jack of all trades IT guy) was with Choken Ring I had a Novel 312 Server and a bunch of Win 95 systems We ran out of space on the Token ring, and I ended up putting an Ethernet card in the Novel server, bridging the network, and deploying an Ethernet hub for expansion Since our Cisco router to our service provider was Token ring, I was able to have the ethernet folks use the Internet
Comment from : @johnbrewer1430

I owned a lot of IBM deathstars I found I had a lot better luck than most people I had fans on my hard drives and didn't overheat the glass platters in them I only had to deal with a couple dead death stars, which I sent back to IBM for RMA I can't remember if there was an official answer to the problem I remember the glass platters and them failing and me having fans in my computers directly on them seemed to have made them either fail less or I was extremely lucky I am guessing I just ran them in nominal temperatures and operations I had about the average failure rate of a mechanical hard drive with them
Comment from : @JeordieEH

Worked in a business years ago that had whole racks full of those maus We had to install the lobe cables i think they are called out to the pcs Not easy because the building had only been designed for phone cables and the ibm cables were much thickerbrbrI had a bit of a play myself a few years ago with a mau i aquired but didnt get it working before i had to abandon the effort due to a change in circumstancesbrbrOne thing i learned during the effort was that the in and out pairs in the cable were called christmas and Halloween coloured pairs Green and red together and black and orange! Cant remember which is input and output though A good way of not getting confused
Comment from : @DanRyan-v5y

Ich habe von diesem System vorher noch nie gehört, witziger Weise habe ich letzte Woche solche Kabel gefunden und musste an dich denken Scheinbar wurde das System auch in Deutschland eingesetzt, obwohl ich am häufigsten BNC Systeme finde
Comment from : @Smarthome4Life

I watched a video of the real Setup Aid tool in action The red LED is not on all the time The red LED flashes twice and the MAU 8228 makes two relay clicks After this, the red LED remains off The procedure takes about 4 seconds if everything is working correctly
Comment from : @artomontonen3722

i never used token ring but i was reading a lot about it when i was a child
Comment from : @herpederpe4320

It is wild to me that token ring networks were still being used that far into the 90s Wow
Comment from : @sobertillnoon

I also bought a Bigfoot TX that was supposedly working in the last couple of years, and it did, until it didn't It lasted a few short hours before devolving into the click of death I think they may just do that :/
Comment from : @hs_doubbing

Bay Networks made token ring switches that made token ring LANs quite effective I don't recall if they could handle both 4 and 16 mb ports I think they could not, it's been a while I worked at two companies that used token ring extensively We even looked at the 100 mb token ring proposed standard, but quickly realized that switched ethernet was a better path forward
Comment from : @incanus9

Man this brings back memories! I joined IBM in 1989 and my first assignment was in the LAN Systems Design team in RTP The team responsible for Token Ring - some of the smartest guys I ever worked with It was exciting times for sure Spent a lot of time at IEEE standards meetings in those days and the competition between the 8025 (Token Ring) and 8023 (Ethernet) guys was so much fun I also did some joint dev work with 3Com at the time Token Ring had huge technical advantages over Ethernet at the time, and we had 32 and 64 mb running in the lab, but they were killed because the thinking was that FDDI would be the ultimate answer - guess we know how that went One of the most difficult parts of combining TR and Ethernet networks was bit order encoding used on the wire - made bridging much harder but ultimately it was IBMs desire to control it with cost $$$ that killed it Ethernet was just too inexpensive and easy
Comment from : @paulruocchio5679

"Lobe" is like a semi-circle - think "ear lobe"brPresumably it's an elaboration on the ring metaphor
Comment from : @ChrisJackson-js8rd

30:10 The paving slab form factor
Comment from : @MazeFrame

No icmp packets were transfered in this video
Comment from : @LuizDahoraavida

Iconic, Iconic, Iconic brbrIconic? 9999999 of people sees it at a first time!
Comment from : @JohnDoe2025

Come on, go the extra mile and install OS/2 instead of Windows 😅😂
Comment from : @deantiquisetnovis

The absolute peak were TR Switches, which implemented the ring right in the switch itself Really good and with great performance/stability But due to the famous IBM marketing, pricing and patent handling, it died a infamous death
Comment from : @karlchen81

The 1990's called, they don't want token ring back ! I supported this hardware back at my first job, I also tore it all out and put in Ethernet
Comment from : @timbenson2051

you are a boss!
Comment from : @nml5536

what's the next video? banyan vines? nice flashback from my past
Comment from : @longlost8424

not rj45, not DB shelll, out
Comment from : @TheChipmunk2008

Dang, I had good luck with my IBM MAU, bought off ebay 25 years ago, your video made me want to explore it, I have a cisco 3660 to translate ethernet to token ring, and an Olicom PCI card in a windows xp box, currently on the network working I plan to post a video myself on my channel at some point showcasing this
Comment from : @bctech

You should install OS/2 on that PS/2 computer to complete the IBM combo
Comment from : @boatsuk

I truly intresting of Siemens Nixdorf old pc, because my own child days i visiting parts store market that have Siemens Nixdorf cash register terminal and that´s looking so beautiful 🥀
Comment from : @koneseta6355

To complete you collection, you need to go find an old Madge TR PCMIA card Those were the one of the few cards that allowed for sniffing/promiscuous network monitoring Network General sold their sniffer with a Madge card MAC locked license Used to refer to the Madge card as the $10k network card The IBM cards would not permit promiscuous traffic monitoring
Comment from : @gt2847c

"SHUTUP YOU DONT HAVE THE TALKING STICK!" The Token Ring Network
Comment from : @MrLurker906

this video is a waste of time he didn't get it working at all he just looks at lights blink fired
Comment from : @Richtr8

"Smells like the 1980s" so day drinking and cigarettes?
Comment from : @georgen8027

I know this is going to make me look like an asshole but I think most people would be receiving this video over Wi-Fi
Comment from : @daviswhite8486

I worked with token ring and it was mostly AIX and RS/6000 boxesbrbrUnlike Ethernet, the MTU allowed frames up to at least 4K so it was quite capable of handling SNA traffic,brbrI was a bit troubled when the lag got moved to a building that had ethernet backbone so I had to arrange a bridge to handle the extra traffic so in took a RS/6000-250 I named eithernet
Comment from : @johncampbell4389

First network I worked on was token ring We even upgraded its ‘speed’ along the way haha 32(?) years ago now…
Comment from : @Wanderlust073

Really fun video Good stuff I used to visit a number of computer stores in the Seattle area in the 200s, Computer Renaissance was one of those great stores If that was your dad's spot, awesome! Looking forward to seeing some of your other work!
Comment from : @MrJthoel

I worked in an IBM Warranty Centre in the 90s in Toronto and I recall the optical drives weren't all that reliable in those AptivasbrbrLoved the design of them for serviceability, however that handle that makes the faceplate in a future model was attached to the entire body shell Customers walking out with their shiny and fixed Aptiva would often try to lift by that handle and the frame including components would crash onto our tile floor We warned customers every time, but it happened too often, I felt bad
Comment from : @BentonVonKitten

36:40 Suddenly Dr Seuss
Comment from : @holobolo1661

Have you thought about purchasing a fluke lanmeter 68x series for troubleshooting? I actually have a 683 10/100 ethernet only model i would be willing to donate, but the 680, 685, 686 all supported token ring troubleshooting look up the datasheet for the 68x series, but it can test lobe cables, maus, reset maus, test token rotation time, listing all ring stations, show beacon/error frames, pinging, a lot of things plus physical cable testing if needed
Comment from : @jrchurchman13

I have one of these cables
Comment from : @bearb1asting

I haven’t seen one of these since the early 90s!brbrMy Microsoft certifications are so old I had to answer token ring questions
Comment from : @jodycwilliams

Should really have been running OS/2 on the PCs 🧐brI maintained a couple of TR networks Bloody horrible 😁
Comment from : @ParedCheese

I still love how at one point the talking stick was an actual thing used in networking
Comment from : @antikommunistischaktion

is there any info to connect RI with RO to make local loop on this hub thing?
Comment from : @elofos0815

For the Thinkpad, it looks like vinegar syndrome on the screen It's fixable IF you can find a large enough sheet of polarized film As far as booting goes, I'm having the same exact issue with a Toshiba Satellite right now It will only boot to the factory installed HDD Thankfully, I imaged that drive BEFORE I tried to wipe it So I have no clue what is weird about the format of the HDD I'm assuming it has something to do with the fact that the laptop also has SCSI, so there has to be some bit that needs to be set
Comment from : @brentgoeller8257

23:40 man, I miss ceramic chips, they are so beautiful nowadays you pay $2000 and you get plastic
Comment from : @monad_tcp

Finally somebody makes a video about it
Comment from : @Turborider

Do you need to have something plugged into the R1 slot?
Comment from : @kestralwrites

all our cards were the DB9 variety, we had in the newer plant DB9 to RJ45 since it was cabled in cat 5 ahhh the memories
Comment from : @StirlingBanfield

When i started in 1998 in this wonderful field of IT the company i worked at was a massive IT outsourcing firm, the account i was on was a fairly large well known company but when it came to IT they were CHEAP, they didnt want us to migrate them to ethernet until it was absolutely necessary so we were constantly harvesting old token ring cards from old PC's It was rock solid, but SLOW, when we got our first ethernet stuff it was great We only started adding ethernet (using cascading hubs by cisco) when some old laptops at the time wouldnt run with the token ring credit card adaptors (they ran too hot)
Comment from : @StirlingBanfield

Proud original owner of a IBM 2176-C66 In service from November 1996 to the end of 2002
Comment from : @engrchrisworkshop

I thought touching the caps was a no no?
Comment from : @holobolo1661

I worked at IBM in the 90s I probably could have loaded up on this stuff when we finally switched to Ethernet
Comment from : @MrBroberds

When I was 8-10 years old, I was working on my parents computer network doing IT work for them running a Novell Netware / IBM workstation coax in and out Token Ring network and HATED IT By the time I was able to transition them to Ethernet, Windows 2000 servers was the best days of my very young career Seeing this video gave me a chill down my spine like someone walking over my grave and made me think, "Why would you do this to yourself? Even for history sake? It's like playing with parts with faded warning labels from the Manhattan Project you found just laying around an old office near the test site"
Comment from : @BrokenBrainGuy

Nothing like chasing down a beaconing card for hours! You can now get off my lawn please
Comment from : @Kutulu369

I have been in IT for 10 years now and stuff like this always amazes me this and that vampire tap stuff from back in the day is wild now we are going in a direction of all cloud based and dealing with data breaches man please back old school just will better speeds
Comment from : @rocketrambo20

Actually supported this in my early career days! Oh the memories The one key of TR is guaranteed delivery you could NEVER get 'packet' starvation that can happen with any 'bus' based network protocol Oh and yes, even today, Ethernet connected clients can be packet starved! LOL You actually ARE relying on the BACKUP loop in the MAU You would 'manage' a MAU to map the ports In a controlled and structured, ie managed environment, you HAD TO CONFIGURE the MAU routing, because defaulting to the internal backup loop would generate all kinds of warning and errors
Comment from : @JibunnoKage-YouTube-Channel

Hahaha I used to lug my parents' old IBM 380ED to school in the mid 2000s By that point in time it was already painfully obsolete Also, the screen on mine started dying in the same manner too so I'm guessing it's a common flaw
Comment from : @mcbrineellis

Nice, this took me back to 1995 when I began my first job as an administrator in "EDV" (old german word for IT) The company I worked for used an 4 MBit Token Ring Network with a lot of this MAUs, Windows95 PCs and a litle Novel Netware Server I rember: If one of the Tonken Ring Network Cards (we also used 3Com) was broken, it crashed the whole Network!
Comment from : @Rattadazong

As a Network Engineer, I always enjoy learning the networking technologies of yesteryear that helped pave the way for the incredible capabilities we have today I've been casually looking for a video on Token Ring for a long time, and this was a great presentation, thank you!
Comment from : @admcstabby

Getting really old school here I love it 👏 I have never seen any of these items in person Great video as always
Comment from : @SB-qm5wg

Wow, that's a blast from the past My first IT job was on a token ring network using OS/2 PCs and 3270 emulators for mainframe access I learned a lot at that job
Comment from : @fatherwilliam7256

You probably can't boot because of Secure Boot Thanks for the nice and informative video!
Comment from : @RicardoAlves-pj1ru

I have also a network working, for me it only works if ri and ro are connected to close the ring I simple put a strait trough cable between the ports Maybe it works for your setup also
Comment from : @henry-rs9zq

These are littered all over store in Ex Safeway, Morrisons supermarkets that didn't get large refits after acquisition in 2004, Morrisons ripped out all the complex ordering systems and went back to pen and paper, just leaving the old hardware unplugged in most cases
Comment from : @martinDynamique

O have been developing Token Ring stuff till 1998r just after university brHow have you found this ?
Comment from : @akta1984

token ring and token ring balloonsbrfrom my IBM time it was next from coax networks SNA was the network protocol
Comment from : @gjaltzwaagstra

When you’re token, it’s polite to pass it around
Comment from : @MrBroberds

Can modern etherent networks still support mutiple devices on the same cable, with all the collisions it entials
Comment from : @alexmiranda6107

you need a port popper that you put a 9v battery in
Comment from : @jk180

The LAN before time
Comment from : @beaker-yt

Whoa! I got some Token ring hardware in my collection brAnd need to clean it outwhen I get some time Hopefully over the next year or two
Comment from : @ContantContact

Can you not connect the pc's directly to the Cisco Router? To see if the cards work?
Comment from : @BE-GreG

talking stick LAN
Comment from : @quant_ix

My grandfather worked at IBM in the 70s-80s From what I've heard, he mainly repaired the machines, but I bet he would have loved to see these old computers up and running
Comment from : @samrentfro858

I think I just saw my old 10MBit Ethernet ISA card in that Aptiva
Comment from : @metala

My first network job was with token ring and novell netware There was a small handheld adapter to reset the mau port Also, if you plug the cable into your video card, it will crash the token ring network Thanks for sharing
Comment from : @RudysRetroIntel

i did a "computer literacy" class entirely keyboard only excel, word, publisher with my computer's mouse placed on the professor's desk i sat as close to the professor's desk as i could, so this way he'd mistake my machine's mouse for the one connected to his that happened a lot by the end of the class he called me the most sadistic user hes ever met
Comment from : @gigglesseven